Monday, March 16, 2015

戦争犯罪

もしも日本人がこれをやったのだったら,それを我々は戦争犯罪と呼び,絞首刑にしただろう: Charles E. DiSipioによる私のフェイスブックへのコメント

「(here are the first few sentences of the comment)

    第二次世界大戦で,アメリカと同盟国は完全なる戦争を実行した.
    例外など無い.敵は殲滅有るのみ,拷問にかけ,集団で処刑する.
    負傷兵も例外では無い...... 以下略

 (and the details are left out.)


このコメントについては何も言わない.
反応を見るためだけに.



If Japanese did this, we would call them War Criminals and hang them:

Comment on my Facebook from Charles E. DiSipio 

"The combatants in WWII, in this instance, the Americans and our Allies, conducted what has become known as total war. Nothing was off the table: enemy combatants were mutilated, tortured, summary executions performed on wounded and those immediately taken prisoner, heads displayed in a variety of ways (typically of dead Japanese), and civilians killed by the tens of thousands via bombing, etc. Some of these acts were indeed gross excesses, but in the big picture, that's how WWII was fought and won (and the press and the high brass swept as much of this as possible under the carpet), and I've never interviewed a veteran from WWII who felt any guilt about the way we prosecuted the war. My father's task force passed several hundred Japanese sailors floating at sea whose ship had been sunk and every U. S. vessel was ordered to depress their guns to the lowest elevation and fire into the human mass as they passed by. Dad, to this day, feels absolutely nothing about that event, saying that everyone on his destroyer just did their job knowing the enemy would have done the same to us in a similar situation. What mattered was winning at all costs, and that we did. You can indulge a sense of remorse, if you choose, and go back to being civilized once your enemy has been unequivocally obliterated and has lost all will to resist."

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I republish this comment without judgement. Simply an observation for reflection.





11 comments:

Anonymous said...

The war makes human mad even after finished. But there are some good story even in the madness. Please check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4urhCImY_A#t=40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny4XYy8jtRQ

Mad guys may enjoy happy life and will get together at the hell finally, I guess.

Anonymous said...


"If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals."
-Curtis LeMay


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/jul/06/robert-mcnamara-vietnam

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/us/07mcnamara.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


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BBC News - WWII fire-bombing of Tokyo by US remembered 70 years on

http://t.co/kTJ2Bu5Ma0


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A website crerated by the American writer Bret Fisk on Bombing of Tokyo

http://www.japanairraids.org/


(Thank you very much, Mr. Yon)

Anonymous said...

I believe all countries that exist today , experienced some sort of war in the past. History is history.

Did we forget about Hiroshima, Tokyo...? No
Did we forgive the Massacre ? Trying very very hard.
Why? Because we can't live in the past.

In Japan, as a proverb says
" There are two holes (to hell) if you curse someone."
....Curses return upon the heads of those that curse.

I like this one
"People [Those] who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. "

Anonymous said...

>> Anonymous, March 17, 2015 at 12:54 PM,
> The war makes human mad even after finished. But there are some good story even in the madness. Please check.

Thank you for your introduction. I have heard a similar episode about the US Navy destroyer in the Philippines, although situation was different because it's in combat.
For many years, I was wondering about that I had never heard the end of the Japanese army's numerous atrocities in the World War II against foreign countries even have praised their fair behavior in Sino-Japanese War Russo-Japanese War.

It was neither diabolical nor divine.

Anonymous said...

> I have heard a similar episode about the US Navy destroyer in the Philippines,

Sorry, just in case... According to Wikipedia, it is “A survivor saw the Japanese captain salute her as she went down”. But in my memory in addition to the above, the crew of the Japanese destroyer, maybe Yukikaze, threw life preserver for survivors of Johnston.

USS Johnston (DD-557)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Johnston_(DD-557)

Moguro Fukuzo said...

This is not what Curtis LeMay exactly said word-for-word as I have no time to look up the book right now, but he said in his deathbed:

“I was born in a barbaric age Humans solve a dispute with sticks, and I just did my duty.”

All the issues on the WWII that are recurring on the political/diplomatic scenes today, such as comfort women, Nanking Massacre, war crimes, A-bombs, etc., go back to the nature of the 1946 International Military Tribunal for the Far East (“Tokyo Tribunal”).

Except a few pro-China/Korea ideologists, most of the Japanese consider that the Tokyo Tribunal was an unjust vengeance of the victorious allies inflicted upon the loser.

Until 1946 Tokyo Tribunal, there had been no concept of the “war criminal.” There were leaders responsible for a war. But there were no leaders committed a war crime. Therefore, the concept of the” war criminal” itself is part of the “retroactive law” that does not exit in the modern laws of any modern nation.

Frankly speaking, from a viewpoint of Japanese, Franklin Roosevelt, General George Marshall, Truman are all war criminals that should have been hanged, if we had won the war

Now, there is a big question. Do we still live in an age humans solve a dispute with sticks?

The answer must be YES. We can watch many battle scenes on the Youtube while enjoying potato chips and coca-cola.

Another question is “why the history is important?” Many history books are sold and many are eager to read the books. But why? As a self-proclaimed student of history, I would say “we learn history: 1) to know your nation, since the history of a nation is the nation itself; and, 2) to prevent the future war, as possible as we can.”

Therefore, it is very important to look back what had happened in the WWI and the WWII and review the soundness of the Tokyo Tribunal, in order to prevent the future war since the future war will be a nuclear holocaust.

However, I believe there should be an important consent for such review. No one has the right to accuse somebody saying, “You did this and that. You are the descendants of the war criminals and you owe a huge debt to us. Therefore, you should obey what we say to you” as Chinese and Koreans often say to us.

Moguro Fukuzo said...

P.S.
See below how the Chinese try to solve a dispute with sticks. (^0^)(^0^)(^0^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTAkWmGD0cQ

Anonymous said...

facebookのこのtopic盛り上がってますね。英語あれなのでざっと眺めただけですが、米国人(というか日本人以外でしょうが、ここでは米国人に限定)の多くは、骨髄反射的に日本の「戦争犯罪」(蛇足ですがカギカッコ付きデスヨ)持ち出してくるんですな。日本の犯罪についてのtopicになっちゃってる(笑)。

日本が残虐なので米国の行為は問題になりゃあせんという、乱暴な論理になってることに気付いていない。というかそれで構わんのでしょうね(原爆投下に対する後ろめたさが有るのかは解かりませんが、内面化してる可能性有り?)。アメリカが対峙したのは「巨悪」だったのか - 「アメリカの正義」は今現在の問題でもあり冷静に議論してくしかないですが。

#にしても…痛恨はあの1時間20分の遅れ「騙し討ち」の「解かりやすさ」は何を言おうと難儀ですね。

Tale Fairy said...

The Treaty of Shimonoseki was signed on 17 April 1895. China recognized the total independence of Korea. Before this tready, Korea was a tributary state of China.

If Japan did not fight with China or Russia, Korea could be like Tibet until today.

But Koreans always execrate Japanese as War Criminals.

They are sanctimonious hypocrites.

Moguro Fukuzo said...

Strangely, “Nanking massacre” has been used as justification of B29 bombings in Japanese cities that killed 600,000 civilians and A-bomb attacks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed 210,000 civilians.

As I often say, “Nanking massacre” is the false propaganda as I prove in the following website.

False Accusations of Nanking Massacre
http://www.howitzer.jp/nanking/index.html

Was Pearl Harbor Attack really an unprovoked attack? It seems Franklin Roosevelt was surrounded by Soviet spies who were trying to drag the US into the world war.

In 1935, Soviet Russia was faced with two potential enemies. One was Germany to the east and the other was Japan to the west. Soviet Russia was unable to sustain two-front wars.

I need more detailed study on this topic, but the history tells us that Japan’s 500,000 troops were pinned down in the Chinese Continent as the result of never-stopping provocation of Chiang Kai-suk’s KMT forces against the Japanese Army and people in China in 1937.

Russia’s traditional war strategy was to draw the strong enemy far into their own territory as Napoleon was trapped in 1812. I suspect that Stalin used the traditional strategy of Russia against Japan. But he used China in 1937 instead of Moscow in 1812.

He bought time to prepare for the war against invasion of Hitler’s Germany, and then next to destroy was Japan. The best way for Stalin was to use the industrial power of the United States against Japan.

Have any of you watched the Japanese movie Orochi(雄呂血) ? It is the story of a honest young samurai trapped in the sinister schemes of old men with power and authority.

The cunning old men know very well how the young samurai would behave if he was humiliated. The movie starts with the following words:

Good men are not always good. There are some very bad guys doing evil things under the façade of being a good guy.
Bad men are not always bad. There are some men who are mistakenly thought to be bad, but actually doing good things.

This world is more complex than you think.

Moguro Fukuzo said...

This “Arthur M. Krolman” Lecture well describes my “sinister schemes of old men with power and authority” theory. Please listen:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33278.htm